DG D20

[Agent Donald]

Do you think DG D20 is a good idea? Will you buy the book?

[Cannibal Monkey]

No and no.

Im not a fan of the D20 system, and I have no money.

Not to say that Im one of those D&D haters - I have played and quite enjoy D20 in the right context. And that isn't CoC.

[Rick T.Nash]

To me the D20 system is good for games like D&D where realisticness is not an issue, but it will never fit correctly to CoC... I'll stick to the good ol'BRP

Now, I intend to buy the new DG book, because my copy is really in bad shape (with pages no longer attached to the book) and I'd like to have the hardcover version as a "back-up"

[Agent Nathan]

I have happily played 3rd ed. D&D and it works quite well. I have concerns about d20 CoC because it isnt about superheroes, its about ordinary Joes to whom sh*t happens, and also unless its changed isn't d20 level based - what ya gonna be, a 4th level antiquarian?

[Agent Donald]

Levels are quite stupid.

As you can see on the pdf preview of the DG book (http://www.tccorp.com/pagan/sample.pdf) apparantly Joseph Camp is 9th level

[Cannibal Monkey]

Oh dear oh dear...

Anyway, why buy it when you can *coughkazaacoughcough* it?

Not that I in any way advocate, dislocate or numerate this behaviour of course.

[Sardan]

I'll go against the flow here, I think its a good idea if it introduces more people to Cthulhu and DG.

Also I intend to use D20 Cthulhu for running a DG campaign for one important reason. My players are not going to know they are playing Cthulhu let alone DG. I'm going to tell them they are playing a realistic (sic) version of D20 Modern.

This is designed to make the players truly afraid of the mythos reality they encounter and to keep them on their toes. As far as I am concerned if they know they are playing Cthulhu then the horror is diminished. If they are not expecting it then they will be even more freaked out.

And I'm not sure that BRP and D20 are all that different. BRP is very similar to original D&D with a skill system. D20 is also on similar lines.

Well now I've marked myself as a heretic I'll go back to lurking.

[Rick T.Nash]

Sardan said:

I'll go against the flow here, I think its a good idea if it introduces more people to Cthulhu and DG.

That will obviously be the case, and is (maybe) a good thing, but next time I'll cross someone who plays/GMs DG I'll have to ask him if he's going with BRP or D20, it somehow buggers me

Also I intend to use D20 Cthulhu for running a DG campaign for one important reason. My players are not going to know they are playing Cthulhu let alone DG. I'm going to tell them they are playing a realistic (sic) version of D20 Modern.

This is designed to make the players truly afraid of the mythos reality they encounter and to keep them on their toes. As far as I am concerned if they know they are playing Cthulhu then the horror is diminished. If they are not expecting it then they will be even more freaked out.

Since I'm also using the BRP for non-mythos modern adventures (simply because my players and I are more used to it and thus it makes the game flow better)
Therefore when I start a new campaign, my players are totally unable too know whether they gonna have to face a terrorist threat, or aliens from outer space or even Great Cthulhu himself...

They'd never trust the system used anyway, since the time I made them believe we would be playing a GURPS WW2 game which quickly turned out into a Karotechia oriented campaign *evil grin* as soon as they knew what we were up too we switched from GURPS rules to good ol'BRP...

Actually we tend to admit that for modern era RPGs there's nothing like BRP! (As long as you don't want to throw yourself into deeply detailed combat action)

And I'm not sure that BRP and D20 are all that different. BRP is very similar to original D&D with a skill system. D20 is also on similar lines.

There I do not agree, I never someone able to create a realistic chracter with D20 in less than 10 minutes... There's too much math involved with D20 for that.
Also, combat actions (etc) are much slower with D20 than with BRP, BRP help keeping the action scenes flowing, with only two or three dice rolls to check on the PCs actions where D20 needs 5/6...
But there I have to admit I'm not fond of "simulation" itself, I put a lot more weight into "role"... It happened several times that I lowered the difficulty of an action for a PC just because the player had picked something that really suited his character

Well now I've marked myself as a heretic I'll go back to lurking.

You'd better before the conservative branch comes back to lynch you!

[Cannibal Monkey]

*Comes back with flaming torch-weilding angry mob*

I do think that more people is a good thing (I sometimes lurk about on the D20 CoC message boards to get snippets of ideas).

And I also agree that using BRP (which I assume is the standard CoC Chaosium rules, otherwise this paragraph is rendered null and void) is perfect for modern day adventures of any sort. I don't agree that it doesnt give detailed combat though - well, it doesn't if you use the Cthulhu Now/1990s Handbook hit location charts. They make it so much better I cant even begin to describe it... Using the standard "You have 10 Hp now you have 3" isnt nice. I ran out of ideas after 15 minutes of battling ghouls.

Still. Insert your own summary of this post here, which you think will cast me in the best light.

[Sardan]

*****Stands before brand wielding mob****

Oh don't get me wrong I like the BRP system, I like it very much. I am an old RP hand and have played Cthulhu (years ago) using BRP. I have also played Runequest and Pendragon both of which use variations of BRP.

Also I am not a fan of D20, I play it occassionally but would rather play 1st ed AD&D or something else. Now before this does turn into a flame war let's get things back on topic.

I do however love Cthulhu and I LOVE DG. But I want to keep my players off balance so I will be using D20. I think it works there's nothing wrong with the system. I will tweak it though so minimal (if any) hit points are gained as I don't think that suits CoC. But thats it. There's nothing really wrong with D20 Cthulhu or D20 DG.

IMHO of course.

[Cannibal Monkey]

My GMing prowess doesn't really expand to keeping players off balance. I'm sure it would be fantastic to be able to do, but I never really get much emotion out of them (bar lots of "Oh sh*t!" when they find something they've encountered before and know how difficult they are to kill. Or if they see something that looks fierce that they havent met before. But they aren't down to any skill on my part).

Still, they seem to enjoy it, and they keep coming back eagerly for more, so I must be doing something right I suppose...

[Sardan]

Oh I'm sure you are if both you and your players are enjoying it.

But I want to do something a *bit* different for a change so I plan a veritable multimedia assault on the players (not the characters ) as well as an interesting game for them that I have already trailed as something different.

Of course it may not work - I'll let you know.

[Cannibal Monkey]

I like multimedia - gives me 5 minutes to soothe my aching vocal chords while the players read the handout, jot down more notes, make links with what they already know and generally argue over who will do what.

*Imagines living in a mansion and hiding stuff in places for them to find while the GM eats the snacks and has a little snooze*

[Sardan]

I'm going to introduce the Most Valuable Player award from HackMaster but instead of giving the character extra experience I'll give them some sort of clue/red-herring. The first will be Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret" - a great UFO expose. The second will be Arkon Daraul's "History of Secret Societies". For the third there will be a videotape of a programme about Nazca and Peruvian Aliens!

I can't wait. ;D

[Cannibal Monkey]

Sounds good!

Oh, to be a PC and not a GM

*wistful thoughts*